Shadow Refuge - Guild Wars Forums

YourDaddy · Mar 03, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I know this is a little late but until now I've been thinking it was a bug that would get fixed... But now that a month or so has passed...

Can anyone tell me why shadow refuge got nerfed back to 4 sec duration without a game update note?

Since when does anet change skill functionality without a note?

It makes even less sense considering it happened shortly after they buffed self heals in other professions.

Sakura Az · Mar 03, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

i don't know why it was changed back to the 4 second duration, but the skill change was listed in the update a fewdays back, you can find the updates on wiki..

hmm odd.. it was decently recent that shadow refuge was put back to 4 seconds... but i can't find it on the update pages in wiki o.O

Lolipopza · Mar 03, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

YourDaddy

As you know shadow refugee was before 8 seconds and they change the skill to 4 seconds with alot of other skills, For example touching skills like touch of agoney cost now 1 energy, anyway it was a small update wich can be found in Guildwars updates and may be found in GuildWiki if you search at Google, But to answer your question a bit more : I dont realy mind they put Shadow Refugee down to 4 , Why? Cause they raised the health gain from when the skill ends, So basicly shorter Regen Time but when higher Healing.

And Answer to your other question why their wernt a notice :
They did these changes while the player was playing cause it was a small scale update but after they changed all the skills you might saw a little green text "Theirs a New Build Of Guild Wars Aviable" and thats when you could notice that they did.

Well i hope that this answerd your questions.
And most of all Have Fun Playing Guildwars :)

YourDaddy · Mar 03, 2008, 10:35 AM // 10:35

It was buffed to 6 seconds in Nov 07, not 8 seconds.

In any case there hasn't been anything in the game update notes about the change, although the return to 4 seconds did seem to happen during the update you mentioned.

Which just makes it more strange, considering they were specific about skills changes for other professions in that update.

Shiing! · Mar 03, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

I think they made it better

ZeAliX · Mar 03, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Would be even better if they decreased the recharge time to 6 seconds

BlackSephir · Mar 03, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

It was and still is a crappy self-heal.
If you're using self-heal then it probably means you won't be standing in the front, but try to kite. And yet the second 'healing' in SR requires you to keep attacking.

Ctb · Mar 03, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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It was and still is a crappy self-heal.

Sins have a number of skills which can make them practically invincible in numerous situations for a short duration. While it may not be useful on its own as a self heal, it is a very functional supplement to a more effective self heal. Appropriately planning blocking and spell-failure skills beforehand can make SR a useful skill in many situations.

Furthermore, you can just shadow step into a target as the skill ends in order to trigger the final bonus while setting up a new attack string if you're relying entirely kiting during the healing.

Productivity · Mar 03, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And yet the second 'healing' in SR requires you to keep attacking.

Throw a spear? Fire a flatbow? It all counts.

BlackSephir · Mar 03, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Productivity

Throw a spear? Fire a flatbow? It all counts.

Staying in the range of enemy while low on health is not a good idea.

ShadowsRequiem · Mar 03, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Staying in the range of enemy while low on health is not a good idea.

Yup pretty much a good idea. I doubt you're going to outheal that much dmg with a shitty skill like SR.

I remember the old days of sin gankers having to wand targets through walls to get the conditional heal. Was pretty funny XD

ender6 · Mar 03, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

It was in the 2/6/2008 update

Assassin
??? Shadow Refuge: decreased duration to 4 seconds; increased Health gain to 40..100.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10252912

For some reason it has been removed from the rss feed.

Turbobusa · Mar 03, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Question's been answered so it may be closed, but I just wanted to point out that when shadow refuge was buffed to 6 seconds, people on the board complained about how long it took to trigger the healing. Now that it's back to 4 seconds with a bigger heal, they complain about how short it is.

I just find it funny lol

YourDaddy · Mar 03, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Thanks for the info ender... It hasn't just been removed from the RSS feed, it's not on the GW site either.

As far as whether or not it's a good update, I think the 6 second duration made the skill usable, and judging by the number of people using SR after the update, and the number of people using it now (far less), I think the majority of GWers agree.

Reading QQers on forums doesn't give you a very good picture of what's going on. What actually happens in the game does. ;-)

After all, like most buffs, it seems to have been done because the skill was under used. Now it is back to being under used again despite the small conditional heal increase.

Mar 03, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10	#1
YourDaddy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006	Shadow Refuge I know this is a little late but until now I've been thinking it was a bug that would get fixed... But now that a month or so has passed... Can anyone tell me why shadow refuge got nerfed back to 4 sec duration without a game update note? Since when does anet change skill functionality without a note? It makes even less sense considering it happened shortly after they buffed self heals in other professions.

Mar 03, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37	#3
Lolipopza Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Netherlands Guild: Bar Profession: W/A	Shadow refugee Skill YourDaddy As you know shadow refugee was before 8 seconds and they change the skill to 4 seconds with alot of other skills, For example touching skills like touch of agoney cost now 1 energy, anyway it was a small update wich can be found in Guildwars updates and may be found in GuildWiki if you search at Google, But to answer your question a bit more : I dont realy mind they put Shadow Refugee down to 4 , Why? Cause they raised the health gain from when the skill ends, So basicly shorter Regen Time but when higher Healing. And Answer to your other question why their wernt a notice : They did these changes while the player was playing cause it was a small scale update but after they changed all the skills you might saw a little green text "Theirs a New Build Of Guild Wars Aviable" and thats when you could notice that they did. Well i hope that this answerd your questions. And most of all Have Fun Playing Guildwars :)

Mar 03, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24	#2
Sakura Az Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The frozen north Guild: Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage] Profession: A/	i don't know why it was changed back to the 4 second duration, but the skill change was listed in the update a fewdays back, you can find the updates on wiki.. hmm odd.. it was decently recent that shadow refuge was put back to 4 seconds... but i can't find it on the update pages in wiki o.O

Mar 03, 2008, 10:35 AM // 10:35	#4
YourDaddy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006	It was buffed to 6 seconds in Nov 07, not 8 seconds. In any case there hasn't been anything in the game update notes about the change, although the return to 4 seconds did seem to happen during the update you mentioned. Which just makes it more strange, considering they were specific about skills changes for other professions in that update.

Mar 03, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37	#5
Shiing! Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: The Mentalists [THPK] Profession: A/	I think they made it better

Mar 03, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#6
ZeAliX Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Profession: A/	Would be even better if they decreased the recharge time to 6 seconds

Mar 03, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#7
BlackSephir Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: A/N	It was and still is a crappy self-heal. If you're using self-heal then it probably means you won't be standing in the front, but try to kite. And yet the second 'healing' in SR requires you to keep attacking.

Mar 03, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#12
ender6 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: Mo/	It was in the 2/6/2008 update Assassin ??? Shadow Refuge: decreased duration to 4 seconds; increased Health gain to 40..100. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10252912 For some reason it has been removed from the rss feed.

Mar 03, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54	#13
Turbobusa Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: By the Luxon Scavenger Guild: The Mentalists [THPK] Profession: N/	Question's been answered so it may be closed, but I just wanted to point out that when shadow refuge was buffed to 6 seconds, people on the board complained about how long it took to trigger the healing. Now that it's back to 4 seconds with a bigger heal, they complain about how short it is. I just find it funny lol

Mar 03, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35	#14
YourDaddy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006	Thanks for the info ender... It hasn't just been removed from the RSS feed, it's not on the GW site either. As far as whether or not it's a good update, I think the 6 second duration made the skill usable, and judging by the number of people using SR after the update, and the number of people using it now (far less), I think the majority of GWers agree. Reading QQers on forums doesn't give you a very good picture of what's going on. What actually happens in the game does. ;-) After all, like most buffs, it seems to have been done because the skill was under used. Now it is back to being under used again despite the small conditional heal increase.